The morality of catch-22

Jon

Administrator
Staff member
#1
Poor old William Barr...he's in trouble! He won't give an unredacted Mueller report to the Democrats in Congress and so is in contempt, but he is prohibited by law from doing so. A classic catch-22. So, he has refused. If you are presented with such options, what is the moral choice? In either case, you are in trouble. Or is this a case of morality being relative rather than absolute?
 

Bee

Founding Member
#2
In contempt of what exactly? If you mean in contempt of court, he can't be in a position where obeying the law puts him in contempt. So contempt of what?
 

The_Doc_Man

Founding Member
#3
The U.S. Congress has independent power to declare a finding of "in contempt" for those who do not cooperate with their investigative ability. This leads to a few possible solutions. (It's all over our news, so I know a LITTLE about it.)

They can give the contempt case to the U.S. Department of Justice and have it tried as a federal case. But in this case, that means the DOJ would have to arrest its boss and there are folks who suggest that even if they did, it would take so long that it might overlap into the next election, at which time some of the House members might not still be in office.

They can have the master-of-arms of the appropriate chamber arrest the person and detain him, holding that person in a jail until he chooses to comply with the request for which the contempt proceedings were filed.

There is an option that is so unclear (called "inherent contempt") that I have no idea what it leads to, but it isn't good. It was last used in the early 1800s and wasn't popular then, either.

EDIT: I did some more reading. Inherent contempt is actually related to the fact that Congress itself can hold a trial rather than rely on the DOJ to do it. It was used more recently than I first thought, but did not result in conviction.

Here is the problem: The law regarding the special counsel's report makes it clear that it is NOT to be released because of sensitive content and sources. So when Congress demands the unredacted version, they are themselves breaking their own law. In essence, we call this "entrapment" and there is a remedy for it that involves allowing the entrapped person to disobey one of the entrapping laws. The attorney general has obviously made his choice, but the House committee doesn't seem to like that choice. One thing that this will underscore is that old rule that says the only folks who get rich in government are the politicians and the lawyers who defend the politicians.

EDIT #2: A really huge stumbling block before Congress is that if they refer the contempt case to the DOJ, they (DOJ lawyers) have prosecutorial discretion to not try the case. Also, there is the issue that the power of Congress to issue such a citation depends on determining whether they are investigating someone in a matter over which Congress actually holds power. This relates to the "separation of powers" clause of the U.S. Constitution that keeps the three branches from stepping all over each other toes all of the time in jurisdictional dispute.
 
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The_Doc_Man

Founding Member
#7
There have been attempts to plead the 5th Amendment rights when before congress. That could lead to the issue of Congress "reluctantly" granting him immunity if he would give them enough to take down Trump. However, I think there are a few more twists and turns to be had before it gets that far.
 

Bee

Founding Member
#8
Whatever happens politically, he has a constitutional right under the 5th Amendment not to incriminate himself. So if he is at risk of being in contempt because he won't issue an unredacted report, he can simply use his 5th Amendment rights as not doing so would automatically put him in contempt (that's quite a loop he's stuck in).
 

The_Doc_Man

Founding Member
#9
Ah, I see where you are going - but no, the 5th Amendment doesn't apply since presenting the unredacted document wouldn't be testifying against himself. This is where the Entrapment Doctrine would apply - conflicting and mutually exclusive actions, each required by a different law or legal action.
 
#11
I'm not a lawyer, but that is my understanding of the issue. 5th Amendment says you cannot be forced to testify on a matter that would incriminate you. Like, accomplices to a crime can't be forced to testify against their boss unless they have an immunity deal for that crime. But where the conflict isn't self-preservation, other laws have to provide legal cover. Entrapment is one such "safe haven." A "stand your ground" law is another - where you are in your own home and a burglar breaks in. You are allowed to shoot to kill in most states (including Louisiana) on the theory that if they were violent enough to break in, they COULD be violent enough to kill you and you can't afford to wait and see.
 
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