Is Bernie Sanders a hypocrite?

[Jon]

I just read that Bernie has been campaigning for a minimum wage of $15 per hour, suggesting that less than that is an unlivable wage. However, he has been exposed since he is paying $13 per hour to his campaign workers.

If the Democrat candidate really believes in what he says, why doesn't he following his own morality? Or is it, as I suspect, one rule for you and another rule for them? Or is true Socialism a myth, where its exponents believe in it, but only if it doesn't affect themselves negatively?

 

[jen_etic_flaw]

There’s always other rules for mere peasants 😂

 

[The_Doc_Man]

Well, said, Jen. And sadly true.

 

[jen_etic_flaw]

In response to the ‘socialism’ aspect - true socialism does not exist. It never will. Communism, however....now that doesn’t work.

 

[The_Doc_Man]

Absolutely not true, Jen. Communism works perfectly - if you have a bunch of mindless robots. It is when you add free-thinking people that it becomes a bit touchy.

 

[jen_etic_flaw]

Absolutely not true, Jen. Communism works perfectly - if you have a bunch of mindless robots. It is when you add free-thinking people that it becomes a bit touchy.

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 well said!

 

[Jon]

Regarding the statement about true socialism does not exist, well, it does exist in your mind. And I believe in another thread you mentioned that, was it aliens(?) do exist, because they exist in people's minds? Something like that. Thus, true socialism does exist.

 

[jen_etic_flaw]

Regarding the statement about true socialism does not exist, well, it does exist in your mind. And I believe in another thread you mentioned that, was it aliens(?) do exist, because they exist in people's minds? Something like that. Thus, true socialism does exist.

Well, something that exists in someone’s mind is called a theory. Socialism is a theory, that has yet to be put into practice successfully. This is why there is a division between socialism (theory) and communism (practice) = fail.

 

[Jon]

Is Venezuela a good example of this, or a poor example since I don't believe it was communist?

 

[jen_etic_flaw]

Different model based on Dieterich. Socialismo del siglo XXI. Influences drawn from Castro, amongst others.

 

[The_Doc_Man]

Socialism, unlike communism, actually has a chance of working with real people. It just doesn't have a chance of working with real-world economics. The practical definition of the failure of socialism is that it ends when you run out someone else's money to spend. Case in point: Greece from a few years ago. Or, here in the USA, the city of Detroit.

The story of Detroit's bankruptcy was simple enough: Allow capitalism to grow the city, campaign against income inequality, tax the job creators until they flee, increase government spending in order to boost employment, promise generous pension plans to keep people voting for failure. Rinse, wash and repeat.

Ben Shapiro

 

[Jon]

I like Ben's train of thought. Looks accurate to me.

 

[jen_etic_flaw]

Socialism, unlike communism, actually has a chance of working with real people. It just doesn't have a chance of working with real-world economics. The practical definition of the failure of socialism is that it ends when you run out someone else's money to spend. Case in point: Greece from a few years ago. Or, here in the USA, the city of Detroit.

No it doesn’t. Define ‘real’ people? Those who feel their tax money isn’t well spent? Welfare systems? It will never work because Joe Bloggs who reads the Daily Fail will always feel like he’s been done out of more than a few quid, but....what about the children?!

I think you mean people who think logically, Doc.

 

[The_Doc_Man]

No, I didn't. Jen, people don't mind helping others. Even illogical thinkers and non-thinkers understand charity.

With Communism, nobody owns anything anyway so in theory everything is shared. With Socialism, it is about sharing some part of what you own and there, the disagreement is more about degree and less about kind. Real-world people CAN be charitable. But there is a limit. Hence my comments on "real-world economics." It is in drawing the line on that sharing that you run into issues with Socialism.

Do you think the UK system is purely Capitalist? I've heard stories about UK tax rates and how the medical system is heavily subsidized by taxpayer cash. That is a form of socialism. Or did I hear that incorrectly? The USA has the Social Security system, which was not meant to be a source of income, but a supplemental source of income presuming you had saved up for retirement. I believe the UK has something similar. Or am I wrong there, too?

I will add the comment that scammers who try to get money out of people by playing the "sympathy" game are making the mission difficult for legitimate charitable organizations, because the scammers want your money as well. Scammers will be the cause of people pulling back from the amount of sharing that they are willing to do. I am sorry for those people who feel they must lie, cheat, and defraud their way into money, yet have sufficient skills to participate in such schemes. The idea of an honest job apparently doesn't appeal to them because it is too easy to cheat someone instead of earning a living by the sweat of your own brow.