Age of consent and religion

Jon

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Staff member
#1
Where did the age of consent come from and did religion have an influence? It seems to differ across Europe, with I believe 13 being the age in Spain, if the guy is 15, something like that.

What is the best age of consent? What happens if the person is biologically 15 but mentally a 20 year old, and their partner is biologically 20 with a mental age of 15? If they "went all the way", is the 15 year old the real abuser?
 
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The_Doc_Man

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#2
In primitive cultures, there was no such thing as high school and the general rule was "old enough to bleed, old enough to breed." From such cultures we have early ages of consent. As cultures became more protective of kids (or educationally more demanding), the age of consent seems to have risen considerably.

And Jon, your question about 15-year-olds is ambiguous. BOTH of your "children" were implied to be chronologically 15 but mentally some other age. So "is the 15-year-old the real abuser?" Since they both were 15, the only possible answer is "YES."
 

Jon

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Staff member
#3
Doc, I had a big typo there. Meant to say: "What happens if the person is biologically 15 but mentally a 20 year old."
 

The_Doc_Man

Founding Member
#6
The answer is a two-parter.

First, what is the legal definition of age of consent in the culture / country where this putative event occurs?

Second, at age 15 (even if only mental age 15), people have started the trek into adulthood - because the brain begins its final phase of development with the advent of puberty. (You DO realize that even 10-year children still have some physical brain development left? Happens with the teen-years growth spurt.) So is the 15-year mind aware of the serious nature of such actions? It actually IS possible depending on upbringing. Not certain - but possible.
 

Bee

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#7
Well, this is interesting. UK law differentiates depending on where the parties live:

The age of consent for sex
England and Wales

The age of consent to any form of sexual activity is 16 for both men and women. The age of consent is the same regardless of the gender or sexual orientation of a person and whether the sexual activity is between people of the same or different gender.

It is an offence for anyone to have any sexual activity with a person under the age of 16. However, Home Office guidance is clear that there is no intention to prosecute teenagers under the age of 16 where both mutually agree and where they are of a similar age.

It is an offence for a person aged 18 or over to have any sexual activity with a person under the age of 18 if the older person holds a position of trust (for example a teacher or social worker) as such sexual activity is an abuse of the position of trust.

The Sexual Offences Act 2003 provides specific legal protection for children aged 12 and under who cannot legally give their consent to any form of sexual activity. There is a maximum sentence of life imprisonment for rape, assault by penetration, and causing or inciting a child to engage in sexual activity.

Scotland

The age of consent to any form of sexual activity is 16 for both men and women, so that any sexual activity between an adult and someone under 16 is a criminal offence. The age of consent is the same regardless of gender or sexual orientation.

There are possible defences if the sexual activity does not involve penetrative or oral sex. These are if the older person believed the young person to be aged 16 or over and they have not previously been charged with a similar offence, or the age difference is less than two years.

Sexual intercourse (vaginal, anal) and oral sex between young people aged 13–15 are also offences, even if both partners consent. A possible defence could be that one of the partners believed the other to be aged 16 or over.

A range of specific offences protect children under 13, who cannot legally give their consent to any form of sexual activity. The maximum penalty could be life imprisonment for rape, sexual assault, sexual assault by penetration, or causing a young child to participate in sexual activity. There is no defence that the accused believed that the child was older.

Northern Ireland

The age of consent to any form of sexual activity is 16 for both men and women. The age of consent is the same regardless of gender or sexual orientation.

The Sexual Offences (Northern Ireland) Order 2008 introduced a series of laws to protect children under 16 from abuse. However, the law is not intended to prosecute mutually agreed teenage sexual activity between two young people of a similar age, unless it involves abuse or exploitation.

Specific laws protect children under 13, who cannot legally give their consent to any form of sexual activity. There is a maximum sentence of life imprisonment for rape and assault by penetration. There is no defence of mistaken belief about the age of the child, as there is in cases involving 13–15 year olds.

Article 79 of The Sexual Offences (Northern Ireland) Order 2008 amended “relevant offence” for section 5(1) of the Criminal Law Act (Northern Ireland) 1967 to exclude the duty to report information about the commission of an offence under Article 20. This therefore means that there is no statutory duty under criminal law to report to the police cases of sexual activity involving children under the age of 16 under articles 16 to 19 of the Order, where the other party is aged under 18.

This exclusion does not apply to information about offences against children under 13, as set out in Articles 12 to 15 of the Order.
 

The_Doc_Man

Founding Member
#8
The USA also differentiates by states. I don't recall the details, but many states use 18 as age of consent while others use 16. Some have exclusions when the older party is no more than two years older. Others do not. There was a somewhat famous case years ago in which an 18-year man got a 16-year woman pregnant, but they were lovers in the emotional sense as well as the physical sense. Their state did NOT have the 2-year age difference exclusion. Both were adamant that they wanted to get married anyway as soon as she turned 18. The really interesting part is that the woman's parents were in favor of the marriage and actually liked the man, but the state didn't have a "parental consent" exception either. But laws kicked in when a 16-year woman turned up in the hospital to have a baby. The doctors HAD to report that under state law. The courts were then bound by law to find the man guilty of rape. As a result, he is now and forever branded as a sexual predator even though he DID marry the mother of his child. A LOT of groups got really angry over that one. I don't recall if the law was ever amended to allow for the 2-year exception.

Heck, if I recall the Biblical admonitions on this topic, he would have been allowed to marry her and stay in society anyway, since that is what they both wanted. At worst he would have been admonished for impatience after which he would have been accepted into the family for providing a new generation.
 
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